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Friday, October 17, 2008

DiVinci Speakers

Anonymous said...
DiVinci DV-1450 scammer in a Suv Do NOT Buy
It's a Total SCAM Divinci DV-6030 Divinci D-7

The speakers sold by the speakermen are of exceptionally poor quality,
typically obtained for less than $50 from a local distributor.

The speakers themselves have been reported as
potentially damaging to any amplifier they are connected to.

The risk of damage stems from an impedence curve that in some cases may drop
below 2 ohms, which may overheat, short out, or permanently damage an
amplifier not designed to handle such loads.

Do a search for " white van speakers " you'll see how this scam goes
See this clip made by a speakerman http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Zx1V6JpFRY

Guy in suv or van drives up to you has these $3000 speakers , extras ??
You can have em for a deal you can't pass up .
He will try to get you to give him $50 or more up to $1500.00 for these $40 china speakers.

Look out for the guy in the suv with the cock and bull story about
the extra home theater system he's got to unload.

He will tell you it's worth something crazy like 2000 or 3000 dollars
show all kinds of crap like receipts , invoices , magazines , ads sheets, etc.

He'll even point you to the company website to prove they are worth the 3 grand. Don't be fooled !

So when he lowers his price to $100.00 you'll think you got the deal of a lifetime. $3000 speakers for $ 100 bucks ,
no you got a crap set of $40 speakers and paid $100 or more for them.

Just do a search for "white van speakers" and you'll see that not only are
they worth only 40 bucks shipped from china , they may also be UNSAFE and damage your system.

Watch out for the speaker guys in suv's or pickup trucks and vans
selling home theater equipment.

Many of the sales take place in the parking lots of Best Buy, Home Depot, Circuit City , Banks ,
Carwashes , Gas Stations , Construction sites , etc
heck they will even flag you down while you are driving down the road.

Law enforcement WILL issue citations, as rarely do the speakerguys obtain the proper permits and license to sell "out of a vehicle".
In Pennsylvania, the act of selling white van speakers is punishable by up to five years in prison and up to a fine of $10,000 .

Make sure you report this scam to :

1) Local Law enforcement
2) Attorney General
3) City and State Department of Revenue
4) IRS
5) Local TV or Newspapers

Most of these SpeakerFleas

1) Do not obtain proper permits to "sell out of a Van"
2) use lies, fraud, trickery and intimidation to make a sale
3) Most do not collect,report or pay their required by
law taxes for sales and income

Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity
If you suspect or know of an individual or company that is not complying with the tax laws,
you may report this activity by completing Form 3949-A.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f3949a.pdf

A "scambuster" with a local newspaper or television news department might also be interested.

Here's one of many reviews I found ...


I've been involved in the audio industry for over 25 years, and have to say that these speakers have the worst components I've ever seen. As someone who has built and repaired speakers, and written published audio reviews well before the Internet came around, I am appalled at the chutzpah shown by manufacturers and sellers of this junk.

The 'reviews' and 'guides' that speak positively of these things have undoubtedly been posted by those who stand to profit from the sale of these inferior items. Take the Kirsch, Theatre Research, Genesis Media Labs (Genesis PHYSICS was a good brand in the 1980's) and DiVinci speakers, with their glossy ads and websites full of meaningless techno-babble and claims of outrageous 'retail' prices - not that any reputable retailer would carry these dogs.

There are good reasons why they are mostly sold out of the back of white vans, and here, where comparison to good equipment is impossible. Most recently peddlers of the Genesis Media Lab and DiVinci's have trumpeted an ad taken out by the company, and purchase of a booth at an electronics show as evidence that this is an established brand-when you have the kind of profit margins based upon $ 50 worth of components in a "$ 3600" package, I suppose you can afford a booth or an ad.

Imagine if a peddler of fake Rolexes', or 'Rolex quality' watches posted a website claiming that their junk that cost maybe $ 50 to manufacture is worth thousands - that is basically the case we have here.

I've had the opportunity to take apart a number of these speakers, and all I can say is if you read Wikipedia and other search results you obtain from Googling the term "White Van Speakers' or 'White Van Scam' the conclusion that the components are of 'exceptionally poor quality' is well founded.

For example, as I write this, there are at least 3 pairs of the "K803 Prodigy" speakers being posted on E Bay for $ 1500 or more, yet superior drivers (the speaker drivers -woofers, tweeters, midranges and the like) can be had for $ 15 or less per driver. The internal electronics such as the crossovers, are by far, the absolute worst I've ever seen in nearly 3 decades as a hobbyist.

The DiVinci hucksters have the nerve to advertise their 'high energy crossover', which is a $2 piece of junk - a good crossover is complex, not inexpensive, and is critical to sound quality. Even the glossy cabinets are made of cheap, lightweight wood, whose resonances distort the already awful sound, and lack the internal bracing you will find on quality speakers.

The drivers on the Kirsch and DiVinci "$ 3000 pair" (K803- DiVinci 1740-Dahlton- same speaker) are pretty much the same as on another set of these towers sold under an earlier "White Van Scam" name that a friend bought for $ 59 in a local pawn shop- one set of DiVinci's' is listed for $ 2500 buy it now - that is on line piracy.

Just for fun, we compared these Kirsch 803 beasts' to a pair of Infinty SM-255's bought off of E Bay for $ 300, using both analogue and digital sources, receivers and high end separate electronics. A sound level meter was used to ensure that the listening occured at the same volume level.

One of the girlfriends said it best : the Kirsch sounded like a clock radio compared to the Infinity's and one thought that a clock radio might sound better. Technical measurements confirmed what our ears told us - a ragged response curve that is the worst I've ever seen, bar none.

Maybe it was unfair - the Infinity's weigh 77 pounds versus 28 for the Klipsch... er Kirsch - but then the Kirsch is a $ 3000 speaker, the Infinities were $ 1000 new ... the weight alone should tell you just what junk the White Van Speakers are. We also compared the Kirsch with a vintage set of Klipsch KG-3.5's which you can get for around $ 200-250 - needless to say they blew the K-803 Prodigy away.

We've also performed listening tests comparing the "$ 2495"- oh please - Kirsch K3 home theatre system to a vintage set of Infinity Qb speakers dating back to the 1980's, which you can buy for $ 150 or so; a Samsung Home Theatre in a box and to Logitech Z-5300 and Klipsch Pro Media 5.1 computer speakers, hooked to a 5.1 receiver via the headphone jack ( a decent option for a small room).

Experienced listeners suggested the best use of the Kirsch's was as a boat anchor or firewood, kids unanimously preferred the other sets and as one eloquently put it - ' the fancy ones stink like poo.' You would be much better off with a used set from Energy, Polk, or another quality speaker company.

I also had the (dis) pleasure of listening to a set of the "$ 3600" DiVinci's often posted here - even the best electronics cannot make a silk purse out of these sow's ears. We compared the DiVinci 607 model to a Polk RM-6800 5.1 home theater set up that can be had for $ 400 or less- $3200 less than theDiVinci's so called retail value.

It was no contest-- as my 12 year old put it 'where did all the instruments go' - there was no category- NONE- imaging, detail, tightness of bass- you name it- where the DiVinci's were remotely competitive.

Not only are the speakers unspeakably bad, the 'receivers' included with the DiVinci, Theatre Research, Digital Research and other "White Van Brands' lack even basic AV functions such as Dolby and DTS processing, and HDMI and component video outputs -as well as measuring and sounding horribly - try watching "Master and Commander" with one of these pieces of 'bleep'- a used Denon, Yamaha or Onkyo at any price is light years superior.

With profit margins that would make oil companies jealous, I can see where they could now buy ads in magazines - one E Bay posting claims they are an 'established high end speaker' - you would have to be high to consider these anything but the low level junk they are. Scam is not a strong enough term, and these have earned their place on rip-off report.com

White Van Speakers

Acoustic Response Series 707
Acoustic Image 3311 / 3312
Acoustic Lab Technology
Acoustic Monitor
Acoustic 3312 Studio Monitor
Acoustic Response


Advanced Sound Technologies AST X2 1055

Audiofile 583LR
Audiofile 835LR
Audiofile THX 6.1
Audio Tech

Dahlton KV 1500
Dahlton KV 2500 TI Speakers
Dahlton AV 5.1 THX

DanWave DW-6
DanWave DW-606
DanWave DW-607
DanWave DW-608
Dan Wave DW-1000

http://www.divincisound.com

Divinci Sound
DiVinci Innovative Sound & Bass
Divinci Sound D6 D-6
Divinci Sound DV7010 DV-7010
Divinci Sound DV6030 Dv-6030
Divinci Sound DV505 DV-505
Divinci Sound DA6.1 DA-6.1 DA-6.1 PRO Series III
Divinci DAV-6.1
Divinci DV-2098
Divinci IDF-40
Divinci DV-108
Divinci DV-208
Divinci D-52
Divinci DV-606
Divinci DV-607
Divinci DV-608
Divinci DV-1420
Divinci DV-1450
Divinci DV-1412
Divinci DV-1450
Divinci DV- 607
Divinci DV-2150
Divinci DV-2100

Denmark
Denmark Loud Speaker E830LR

Digital Audio DHT 5.1
Digital Audio SL-3810
Digital Audio DA 2000SL / 2000CS
Digital Audio 2000
Digital Audio 2002
Digital Audio 2012 7.1
Digital Audio Professional Speaker Systems SL-3810
Digital Audio Skyline 900-SL
Digital Audio SL-3910 Speakers
Digital Audio 2003 DA 5.1 Pro-Series III
Digital Dogg Audio
Digital Pro Audio
Digital Pro Audio SL-T 2.8
Digital Research 5.1 Pro Series
Digital Research DA 5.1 Pro Series III
Digital Research DR-1000
Digital Research DR-2810
Digital Research DR-1610
Digital Research DR-1611
Dogg Digital

Dynalab

Epiphany Audio speakers

Elite Audio
Elite Audio EA-505
Elite Audio EA-608
Elite Audio EA-1620
Elite Audio EA-7012

Epic Sound 7.1

Fleetwood Audio

Genesis
Genesis Media Labs

Genesis G-6.1 Digital Series
Genesis G-505
Genesis G-506
Genesis G-507
Genesis G-608
Genesis G-609
Genesis G-610
Genesis G-1260
Genesis G-1420
Genesis G-1620
Genesis G-1630
Genesis G-2810
Genesis G-2815
Genesis R-2810
Genesis G-2840
Genesis G-2850
Genesis G-2870
Genesis G-2875
Genesis G-2880
Genesis G-2885
Genesis G-2950
Genesis G-2960
Genesis G-6030
Genesis G-6035
Genesis G-6040
Genesis G-7012

http://www.genesismedialabs.com
IM-67 IM-66 IM-4 IM-3 IM-2 G-611 G-610
G-608 G-505 G-7012 G-508 G-506 G-6030 G-6.1
G-2860 G-2810 G-2800 G-1620 G-Z3 G-9812



Grafdale

Hauffman

Innovative Sound Digital Pro Audio

Kirsch K3
Kirsch K10
Kirsch Prodigy K803

http://www.kirschloudspeakers.com

Linear Phase studio monitors

http://matrixaudioconcepts.com

Matrix Audio Concepts
Matrix MX-1300 MX1300 MX1300S
MX-404
MX-550
MX-6160
MX-404 MX-505T MX-550 MX-605S MX-605T MX-6160T MX1300 MX1300S

Millenium
Millenium MTS-2006p
Millenium MTS-2208
Millenium MTS-2328
Millenium MTS-2300
Millenium MTS-2605
Millenium MTS-3100
Millenium MTS-3200
Millenium MTS-4200
Millenium MTS DR-5200
http://www.mtsspeakers.com

Omni Audio

PSD (2.8)

PTS PT-5500S
DA 5.1 Pro Series III SHOCK 5.1 PT-5000S DR-1000 DR-8000
DA2000SL MI4000A/B AD-1200SL SL-900 DR-2810
SL-800 DR-1620 (Towers) AD-700SL DR-1610 (Towers)
PT-5500 DR8600 PDA-2012
PTS (Precision Transducer Systems)
http://www.ptswoofers.com

Palermo VA6.1
Palermo VA 6.1

Paradyme

Pro Audio
Pro Dynamics Pro Platinium Series
Pro Dynamics PD-9600
Proline Acoustic
Protecsound PT-5000 digital surround sound system speakers

Samurai 518

Skyline AD-900SL
Skyline Digital Denmark 800 or 900 "series"

Studio Tech (Pro Poly Series)

Theater Innovations (Ti 5100)
TI-440MR TI~440MR
TI-440R TI~440R
TI-440M TI~440M
TI-5100 TI~5100
TI-5150T TI~5150T
TI~1250 TI-1250
TI~1255 TI-1255
TI~1300 TI-1300
TI~1650 TI-1650
TI~1655 TI-1655
TI-4000
TI~6000SD TI-6000SD
TI~6100 TI-6100
TI~1750 TI-6200
http://www.theater-innovations.com

Theater Logic
http://theaterlogichomecinema.com/
Theater Logic L5ti
Theater Logic L6
Theater Logic L8TI 5.1
Theater Logic T 2400
Theater Logic T 2450

http://www.trtheaterresearch.com

Theater Research DS-6.1
Theater Research TR-12
Theater Research TR-501
Theater Research TR-502
Theater Research TR-504
Theater Research TR-505
Theater Research TR-602
Theater Research TR-603
Theater Research TR-604
Theater Research TR-605
Theater Research TR-606
Theater Research TR-607
Theater Research TR-900
Theater Research TR-1100
Theater Research TR-1101
Theater Research TR-1120
Theater Research TR-1400
Theater Research TR-1410 Digital Sound Speakers
Theater Research TR-1610
Theater Research TR-1611
Theater Research TR-1620
Theater Research TR-1621
Theater Research TR-2380
Theater Research TR-2810
TR 504 TR 505 TR 6030 TR 2930 TR 2940
TR 1420 TR 2830 TR 2840 TR 2850 TR 2860
TR 1100-1101
TR 1610-1611
TR 1620-1621
TR 2810 TR-2811 TR 12 TR-2630 TR-2631 TR-2900
DS 6.1 TR 501 TR 502 TR 503 TR 602 TR 603 TR 604 TR 605 TR 6020
TR 6120 TR 7010 TR 8000 TR-8200 TR 606 TR 607 TR 504 TR 505 TR 6030

TR-3015 TR-3215 TR-0412 TR-9500 TR-9700
Theater Research TR-5210 Professional Home Theater
Theater Research TR-5160
Theater Research TR-6000
Theater Research TR-6020
Theater Research TR-6030
Theater Research TR-6100 Digital Sound/5.1 Home Cinema
Theater Research TR-6120
Theater Research TR-7010
Theater Research TR-8010
Theater Research TR-8810
Theater Research Pro Series III Professional Home

Ultra Digital Labs


Acoustic Response Series 707 Acoustic Image 3311 / 3312 Acoustic Lab Technology Acoustic Monitor Acoustic 3312 Studio Monitor Acoustic Response Advanced Sound Technologies AST X2 1055 Audiofile 583LR Audiofile 835LR Audiofile THX 6.1 Audio Tech Dahlton KV 1500 Dahlton KV 2500 TI Speakers Dahlton AV5.1 THX DanWave DW-6 DanWave DW-606 DanWave DW-607 DanWave DW-608 DW608 Dan Wave DW-1000 http://www.divincisound.com Divinci Sound DiVinci Innovative Sound & Bass Divinci Sound D6 D-6 Divinci Sound DV7010 DV-7010 Divinci Sound DV6030 Dv-6030 Divinci Sound DV505 DV-505 Divinci Sound DA6.1DA-6.1 Divinci D-52 Divinci DV-1450 Denmark Denmark Loud Speaker E830LR Digital Audio DHT 5.1 Digital Audio SL-3810 Digital Audio DA 2000SL / 2000CS Digital Audio 2000 Digital Audio 2002 Digital Audio 2012 7.1 Digital Audio Professional Speaker Systems SL-3810 Digital Audio Skyline 900-SL Digital Audio SL-3910 Speakers Digital Audio 2003 DA 5.1 Pro-Series III Digital Dogg Audio Digital Pro Audio Digital Pro Audio SL-T 2.8 Digital Research 5.1 Pro Series Digital Research DA 5.1 Pro Series III Digital Research DR-1000 Digital Research DR-2810 Digital Research DR-1610 Digital Research DR-1611 Dogg Digital Dynalab Epiphany Audio speakers Epic Sound Innovative Sound & Bass Epic-7.1 Elite Audio Elite Audio EA-505 Elite Audio EA-608 Elite Audio EA-1620 Elite Audio EA-7012 Epic Sound 7.1 Fleetwood Audio Genesis Genesis Media Labs Genesis G6.1 Digital Series Genesis G-505 Genesis G-506 Genesis G-507 Genesis G-608 Genesis G-609 Genesis G-610 Genesis G-1420 Genesis G-1620 Genesis G-1630 Genesis G-2815 Genesis G-2840 Genesis G-2850 Genesis G-2870 Genesis G-2875 Genesis G-2880 Genesis G-2885 Genesis G-2950 Genesis G-2960 Genesis G-6030 Genesis G-6035 Genesis G-6040 Genesis G-7012 http://www.genesismedialabs.com Grafdale Hauffman Innovative Sound Digital Pro Audio Kirsch K3 Kirsch K10 Kirsch Prodigy K803 http://www.kirschloudspeakers.com Linear Phase studio monitors http://matrixaudioconcepts.com Matrix Audio Concepts Matrix MX-1300 MX-404 MX-550 MX-6160 MX-2060 MX-605S Millenium Millenium MTS-2006p Millenium MTS-2208 Millenium MTS-2328 Millenium MTS-2300 Millenium MTS-2605 Millenium MTS-3100 http://www.mtsspeakers.com Omni Audio PSD (2.8) PTS PT-5500S PTS (Precision Transducer Systems) http://www.ptswoofers.com Palermo VA6.1 Palermo VA 6.1 Paradyme Pro Audio Pro Dynamics Pro Platinium Series Pro Dynamics PD-9600 Proline Acoustic Protecsound PT-5000 digital surround sound system speakers Samurai 518 Skyline AD-900SL Skyline Digital Denmark 800 or 900 "series" Studio Tech (Pro Poly Series) Theater Innovations (Ti 5100) http://www.theater-innovations.com Theater Innovations TI-6000T Theater Innovations TI~6000T Theater Innovations TI~5100 Theater Innovations Ti-5100 Theater Innovations TI-4000 Theater Innovations TI~4000 Theater Innovations TI~440MR Theater Innovations TI-440MR http://www.theater-innovations.com Theater Logic http://theaterlogichomecinema.com/ Theater Logic L5ti Theater Logic L6 Theater Logic L8TI 5.1 Theater Logic T 2400 Theater Logic T 2450 http://www.trtheaterresearch.com Theater Research TR-501 Theater Research TR-900 Theater Research TR-1120 Theater Research TR-1400 Theater Research TR-1410 Digital Sound Speakers Theater Research TR-2380 Theater Research TR-2810 Theater Research TR-5210 Professional Home Theater Theater Research TR5160 Theater Research TR6000 Theater Research TR-6100 Digital Sound/5.1 Home Cinema Theater Research 8810 Theater Research Pro Series III Professional Home Ultra Digital Labs White Van Speakers Robert M Sullivan dob June 03, 1968 Acoustic Response Series 707 Acoustic Image 3311 / 3312 Acoustic Lab Technology Acoustic Monitor Acoustic 3312 Studio Monitor Acoustic Response Advanced Sound Technologies AST X2 1055 Audiofile 583LR Audiofile 835LR Audiofile THX 6.1 Audio Tech Dahlton KV 1500 Dahlton KV 2500 TI Speakers Dahlton AV5.1 THX DanWave DW-6 DanWave DW-606 DanWave DW-607 DanWave DW-608 DW608 Dan Wave DW-1000 http://www.divincisound.com Divinci Sound DiVinci Innovative Sound & Bass Divinci Sound D6 D-6 Divinci Sound DV7010 DV-7010 Divinci Sound DV6030 Dv-6030 Divinci Sound DV505 DV-505 Divinci Sound DA6.1DA-6.1 Divinci D-52 Divinci DV-1450 Denmark Denmark Loud Speaker E830LR Digital Audio DHT 5.1 Digital Audio SL-3810 Digital Audio DA 2000SL / 2000CS Digital Audio 2000 Digital Audio 2002 Digital Audio 2012 7.1 Digital Audio Professional Speaker Systems SL-3810 Digital Audio Skyline 900-SL Digital Audio SL-3910 Speakers Digital Audio 2003 DA 5.1 Pro-Series III Digital Dogg Audio Digital Pro Audio Digital Pro Audio SL-T 2.8 Digital Research 5.1 Pro Series Digital Research DA 5.1 Pro Series III Digital Research DR-1000 Digital Research DR-2810 Digital Research DR-1610 Digital Research DR-1611 Dogg Digital Dynalab Epiphany Audio speakers Epic Sound Innovative Sound & Bass Epic-7.1 Elite Audio Elite Audio EA-505 Elite Audio EA-608 Elite Audio EA-1620 Elite Audio EA-7012 Epic Sound 7.1 Fleetwood Audio Genesis Genesis Media Labs Genesis G6.1 Digital Series Genesis G-505 Genesis G-506 Genesis G-507 Genesis G-608 Genesis G-609 Genesis G-610 Genesis G-1420 Genesis G-1620 Genesis G-1630 Genesis G-2815 Genesis G-2840 Genesis G-2850 Genesis G-2870 Genesis G-2875 Genesis G-2880 Genesis G-2885 Genesis G-2950 Genesis G-2960 Genesis G-6030 Genesis G-6035 Genesis G-6040 Genesis G-7012 http://www.genesismedialabs.com Grafdale Hauffman Innovative Sound Digital Pro Audio Kirsch K3 Kirsch K10 Kirsch Prodigy K803 http://www.kirschloudspeakers.com Linear Phase studio monitors http://matrixaudioconcepts.com Matrix Audio Concepts Matrix MX-1300 MX-404 MX-550 MX-6160 MX-2060 MX-605S Millenium Millenium MTS-2006p Millenium MTS-2208 Millenium MTS-2328 Millenium MTS-2300 Millenium MTS-2605 Millenium MTS-3100 http://www.mtsspeakers.com Omni Audio PSD (2.8) PTS PT-5500S PTS (Precision Transducer Systems) http://www.ptswoofers.com Palermo VA6.1 Palermo VA 6.1 Paradyme Pro Audio Pro Dynamics Pro Platinium Series Pro Dynamics PD-9600 Proline Acoustic Protecsound PT-5000 digital surround sound system speakers Samurai 518 Skyline AD-900SL Skyline Digital Denmark 800 or 900 "series" Studio Tech (Pro Poly Series) Theater Innovations (Ti 5100) http://www.theater-innovations.com Theater Innovations TI-6000T Theater Innovations TI~6000T Theater Innovations TI~5100 Theater Innovations Ti-5100 Theater Innovations TI-4000 Theater Innovations TI~4000 Theater Innovations TI~440MR Theater Innovations TI-440MR http://www.theater-innovations.com Theater Logic http://theaterlogichomecinema.com/ Theater Logic L5ti Theater Logic L6 Theater Logic L8TI 5.1 Theater Logic T 2400 Theater Logic T 2450 http://www.trtheaterresearch.com Theater Research TR-501 Theater Research TR-900 Theater Research TR-1120 Theater Research TR-1400 Theater Research TR-1410 Digital Sound Speakers Theater Research TR-2380 Theater Research TR-2810 Theater Research TR-5210 Professional Home Theater Theater Research TR5160 Theater Research TR6000 Theater Research TR-6100 Digital Sound/5.1 Home Cinema Theater Research 8810 Theater Research Pro Series III Professional Home Ultra Digital Labs White Van Speakers

Bought speakers out of the back of a van or suv ?
We found the guy that's been ripping people off.
Robert M Sullivan dob June 03, 1968

Please copy and repost often

May 21, 2008 7:04 PM

1 comments:
Cush said...
These guys stopped me on the road in Mt. Washington back in august last year. They showed me the speakers and everything you said was 100% true. What a scam!

May 22, 2008 8:51 PM

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